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There’s no need to do “better” than what I asked for, but be sure that you provide that, and not just a bunch of hand-waving woo. I’ll repeat what I asked for, just so you’re clear about it:

I invite you to produce any sources where geocentrists of any persuasion (Flat Earth, Hollow Earth, or Spherical Earth) made comparably accurate predictions within that same time frame [i.e., within 10 days of ISON’s discovery]. Those sources must present in detail the

dynamical modelused for their predictions (includingall numerical parametersthereof), and must have beenpublished on verifiable dates. Note that I need to seereal math and real numbers: mere hand-waving claims and accusations about conspiracies don’t count.

Note that you won’t get away with claims that the prediction of ISON’s orbit made by real astronomers was inaccurate: you have to show (a) where geocentrists (including concave-Earthers) made–<band published, verifiably–a prediction that was of comparable accuracy within time period; and (b) the dynamical model and real, numerical parameters and results.

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Unsurprisingly, you’ve come up with nothing but excuses. And while you look “desperately” for “insight”, planetarium programs based upon conventional astronomy and physics crunch the numbers with ease, and tell the rest of us where to point our telescopes, years in advance, with arc-second accuracy.

If the math has already been done for your model, then why don’t you provide a link to it, and why don’t you use that math to produce real, numerical astronomical predictions that can be tested against observations?

Regarding your comment,

Laughter is good for your soul. Invite more school kids to find evidence for heliocentric theory.

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I don’t need to invite them. They’re pretty avid researchers who don’t wait for “inviations” from me. And they can get plenty of laughs ready your self-pity posts about why you can’t and won’t provide real, testable predictions of astronomical phenomena.

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Statements like this one of yours are why I send school kids here to laugh at this website.

The problem with the current heliocentric model is that there is no mechanical explanation for any of it.

I can refer them to plenty of sources that explain it. I’ll tell students often about this one, too:

I’m bogged down with it and practical life at the moment but I’ll eventually have it all out… if I can mentally understand it myself, which is becoming increasingly tougher the deeper I dig.

While you continue to flounder at this fool’s errand, with the hope of “eventually” figuring it out, students can get accurate predictions of planets’ motions from real astronomers–whom you accuse of being incompetents and frauds–in a matter of minutes,

BTW, I take that statement as an admission that you cannot provide what I asked for:

I invite you to produce any sources where geocentrists of any persuasion (Flat Earth, Hollow Earth, or Spherical Earth) made comparably accurate predictions within that same time frame [i.e., within 10 days of ISON’s discovery]. Those sources must present in detail the

dynamical modelused for their predictions (includingall numerical parametersthereof), and must have beenpublished on verifiable dates. Note that I need to seereal math and real numbers: mere hand-waving claims and accusations about conspiracies don’t count.

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UPDATE: You can now post your reply in the comments on my YouTube video “The ISON Challenge to ‘Alternative Science’ Proponents” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-TM2GimYsg) .

Be sure to read the warning given at the end of that video.

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Heliocentric theory is wrong (pt1)

I have an new video that mentions your website. You’re invited to reply, but be sure to read to the end to understand the terms.

**Astro-Cranks! Take the “Eclipses of Jupiter’s Moons” Challenge!**

Since you’re so convinced that heliocentrism is wrong, and that real astronomers are lying frauds, you’ll certainly be eager to present your own calculations so that you can be vindicated by real observations of Jupiter’s moons this Fall.