Cables go east/west not over either the north or south …

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Cables go east/west not over either the north or south pole. I see.

I don’t get the cargo route one though. There is no route map I could find. Does the shorter route go over the south pole to Melbourne? Or is it traveling at faster speed?

I’m afraid flat earth is a fallacy thanks to flight times and the pole star. I briefly looked into the flights thing myself and didn’t find evidence for longer flight times than the northern hemisphere. Another flight time discussion was left by the YouTube poster Mahrai Ziller here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YjVNthJKPc

Your Sydney to Rio flights were from Emirates. I happen to know that these will have flown via Dubai, because they don’t fly Sydney to Rio direct (no one does, but more on that later). Now Dubai is in the opposite direction to Rio, so they’re taking people on a West-bound, not East-bound, route – so it will take longer.
Why do they do this? Because national airlines run the most lucrative routes in and out of their home country – they don’t do round-the-world travel plans.
Most other flights will be American, naturally taking you out of your way to stop off in LA and maybe Texas as well.
I delved ever so slightly deeper than you (as in I didn’t just stop at the first page I could use to confirm a warped world view) – and I found a more direct flight via Chile.
Flight time from Sydney to Chile – 12 hours 40 minutes; from Chile to Rio – 4 hours 15 minutes; stop over time – 3 hours 5 minutes; total travel time around 20 hours, pure flight time around 17 hours.
That’s with Quantas and Lanchile flying the most direct route you’ll find (departs 10/15/2014; Quantas flight 27; Lanchile flight 772).
That is a journey from Sydney to Rio in under 32 hours – even including stop over time!
So much for your “pure flight times on a direct route of over 38 hours” bullshit.

(www(dot)flightnetwork(dot)com/flights/fares?client_ref=flightnetwork&ac2utest=0&no_of_routes=2&trip_type=0&gateway_departure=Sydney%2C+Australia++Kingsford+Smith%28SYD%29&gateway_dep=SYD&gateway_return=Rio+De+Janeiro%2C+Brazil++Galeao+International%28GIG%29&gateway_ret=GIG&dest_departure=&dest_dep=&dest_return=&dest_ret=&depart_date=10%2F15%2F2014&gateway_departure1=&gateway_dep1=&gateway_return1=&gateway_ret1=&depart_date1=10%2F15%2F2014&gateway_departure2=&gateway_dep2=&gateway_return2=&gateway_ret2=&depart_date2=10%2F18%2F2014&adult=1&child=0&infant=0&cls=0)

Now for your Cape Town to Aukland claims:
Again you use Emirates, which I’ll bet fly via Dubai again.
A brief search for the same day as before (10/15/2014), found South African airlines flying a more direct (but still not very direct) route, via Johannesburg (flight 362 – 2 hours; stop over of 1 hour 45 minutes), then Perth (flight 280 – 9 hours 15 minutes; stop over of 6 hours), and finally to Aukland (flight 7062 – 6 hours 30 minutes).
That’s a total travel time of 25 hours 30 minutes; stop over times totalling 7 hours 45 minutes; and pure flying time of 17 hours 45 minutes.
Again, so much for your “pure flight times on a direct route of over 35 hours”.

(Again from flightnetwork(dot)com)

I’m afraid your excuse of not wanting to accept the credibility of these flight details – evidently based solely on the fact that they disprove your idiotic video – smacks of the typical obfuscation and desperate attempts to ignore presented facts that I’ve come to expect from flat earthers.

I’ve even found a Sydney to Rio travel plan that takes 19 hours at www(dot)lastminute(dot)com(dot)au/flightsearch/search?brandid=2&adults=1&children=0&infants=0&f1_origin=1&f1_dest=1491&f1_date=20140827

Both travel plans are verified on the Quantas website.

If you’re asking about my flights, then London to Dar Es Salaam involved a 6.5-7 hour flight to Dubai and a 6 hour flight from there to Dar. Total flight time around 13 hours, with about 9 hour change over in Dubai meaning about 22 hours travel time (also note that Dubai is not on a direct line between London and Dar Es Salaam, which added on to the flight time as well).
London to Rio was about 12 hours. Rio to Brasilia was less than 2 hours.
Total flying time about 14 hours, travel time with stop over was around 26 hours.
Point being that you can’t assume that the travel times given are even close to “pure flight time”, when stop overs can constitute a significant part of your travel time.
If you ever flew long haul, you’d know this – so you’re either woefully ignorant or purposefully deceitful with that comment. Either way, you pulled it out of your arse.

Now, how about you show us the URLs of the websites you looked at, so we can check the actual flight times, destinations and stop over durations?

Tell you what, how about I do it for you.
Your Sydney to Rio flights were from Emirates. I happen to know that these will have flown via Dubai, because they don’t fly Sydney to Rio direct (no one does, but more on that later). Now Dubai is in the opposite direction to Rio, so they’re taking people on a West-bound, not East-bound, route – so it will take longer.
Why do they do this? Because national airlines run the most lucrative routes in and out of their home country – they don’t do round-the-world travel plans.
Most other flights will be American, naturally taking you out of your way to stop off in LA and maybe Texas as well.
I delved ever so slightly deeper than you (as in I didn’t just stop at the first page I could use to confirm a warped world view) – and I found a more direct flight via Chile.
Flight time from Sydney to Chile – 12 hours 40 minutes; from Chile to Rio – 4 hours 15 minutes; stop over time – 3 hours 5 minutes; total travel time around 20 hours, pure flight time around 17 hours.
That’s with Quantas and Lanchile flying the most direct route you’ll find (departs 10/15/2014; Quantas flight 27; Lanchile flight 772).
So much for your “pure flight times on a direct route of over 38 hours” bullshit.

Now for your Cape Town to Aukland claims:
Again you use Emirates, which I’ll bet fly via Dubai again.
A brief search for the same day as before (10/15/2014), found South African airlines flying a more direct (but still not very direct) route, via Johannesburg (flight 362 – 2 hours; stop over of 1 hour 45 minutes), then Perth (flight 280 – 9 hours 15 minutes; stop over of 6 hours), and finally to Aukland (flight 7062 – 6 hours 30 minutes).
That’s a total travel time of 25 hours 30 minutes; stop over times totalling 7 hours 45 minutes; and pure flying time of 17 hours 45 minutes.
Again, so much for your “pure flight times on a direct route of over 35 hours”.

I’ve just supplied you with a Sydney to Rio journey with 20 hours travel time of which 17 hours were pure flying time. I even gave you the date and the flight details (airlines and flight numbers). The website offering them was flightnetwork(dot)com.

And what’s with your seemingly bizarre caveat of only using ebookers?
Is that the only website offering airline tickets in your demented version of reality? Hey, freeanergy – there’s no such TV show as “game of thrones”, good luck finding it on BBC 1 in Britain, you moron!
That’s how idiotic that attempted caveat is.

Did you even bother to read that post? Because that IS a journey from Sydney to Rio in under 32 hours – even including stop over time!
No luck necessary – just the ability to use the internet to find out you’re an idiot.

To recap:
Flight time from Sydney to Chile – 12 hours 40 minutes; from Chile to Rio – 4 hours 15 minutes; stop over time – 3 hours 5 minutes; total travel time around 20 hours, pure flight time around 17 hours.
That’s with Quantas and Lanchile flying the most direct route you’ll find (departs 10/15/2014; Quantas flight 27; Lanchile flight 772).

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Thanks Trevin.

I like alternative theories to gravity because I don’t believe in the official narrative. The question is if any of these theories is true or not? I don’t know. At the moment I am sticking with gravity coming from the sun. What that is, I don’t know.

“As another separate thing, I know that gravity is a pull and not a push because of tops; tops can’t spin with their sides as close to the ground as they get without these sides being pushed directly to the ground if gravity is a push. ”

I don’t think wobble matters either way. It’s the angular momentum keeping the top up, isn’t it?


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Gary, you have to sign up and then I will approve you. After approval, you can reply to posts or start threads.


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Don’t know, but very interesting all the same. Possibly a large meteor burning through the glass. It looked far too short for it to be a reflection on a cloud from something on the ground, unless it was a ground explosion. Wouldn’t we see the light from the ground explosion on the horizon first though?


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Heliocentric theory is wrong (pt1)
One possibility (look under “planets”): http://www.wildheretic.com/what-are-the-astronomical-bodies/

Personally, I much prefer the other idea that retrograde motion is caused by speed variation/planet tilt. The idea in my CET is that the sun is the outermost body near the center of the cavity and spins the slowest. The rest are inside the sun’s orbit a little bit closer to the center of the cavity. Sometimes when a planet gets too close to the sun/moon it is attracted/repelled to or from that body (or maybe other planets as well) which slows the planet down, or speeds it up. Something like that.

It has been a while since I looked at Jupiter in Stellarium and got latitude readings at the equator over 5 years, so my mind isn’t fresh on the above theory. I have yet to get the longitude data for Jupiter for example and compare it to the sun’s position.

It isn’t something I am concentrating on right now.


There is glass in the sky
Very difficult question. I don’t know. I assume the creator(s) of this biosphere. What then is the purpose of this biosphere?

The glass could be needed to add extra pressure to keep the flood waters below the earth, and/or to block out some of the harsh sunlight radiation. It seems to be a key component to the biosphere.


Why hide the concave earth?
Monsters Inc is older than this article I think, so I would say they got it from the source, which is Monroe’s books.


Space machines do not orbit the Earth
When you are at Davos, you can ask them.

There are satellites up there IMO, just their deployment is not as we are told. Why? Because they are using heliocentric theory as a cover. Why? I’ll leave you to figure that one out.


Space machines do not orbit the Earth
I personally think the moon is reflected light from the back of the Sun. The negative cooling effects come from the “positive” charge of the Sun which is pushing the moon around Sun.


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